Montgomery for McCain

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Post by 5AvonleaGirls » Tue Mar 17, 2009 7:56 am

I agree that it is sad sometimes how the church and believers are portrayed in RTA. I was just thinking about that last night as we finished watching all of the episodes in order. :( It is sad that church was viewed as something dark and depressing with no joy in it. That is what Christianity is all about!! Joy... the joy of Christ. It breaks my heart that that was often times how church and Christianity was viewed as. I noticed you are from Holland. My Opa and Oma immigrated from Holland. Do you go to church? What denomination are you with?

~5AvonleaGirls

P.S. I like your quote! It made me laugh :).
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Post by The Chef » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:22 am

Hi Avonlea Girl,

We have to keep in mind of course that the show is not about christianity in the first place, but about a sense of community, and because everybody longs for that the most, the show is so appealing. That being said, the show really doesn't do pure christianity justice. And I'm afraid, if we stay on topic, many christians are being fooled into thinking that presidents such as Bush jr. or senators such as McCain are christians. They are as born again as the bag of potatoes in my fridge, and I feel perfectly comfortable in saying that. They only feign a christian life to get votes from gullible christians who are not "wise as serpents." That's all.

So I do like the show, but sometimes I have to filter certain things and try to ignore them.

Yes I am from Holland, or more properly the Netherlands (Nederland). I live close to the German border in a region which in English could be called, if I translate it literally, The Back Corner. You could read it as the backbench or backroom of the country. In Dutch it is called De Achterhoek. It's a region in the province of Gelderland. If you click the link, you can also find my hometown Zelhem somewhere at the bottom, under the second heading underneath "abolished municipalities". This sandy road is actually one of the roads in the woodlands 3 miles from here which I use when I go jogging. I was running here yesterday :wink: This is a picture of a typical entrance of a village centre (built up area) in our municipality Bronckorst, of which Zelhem now is a part (they are not all as picturesque of course). The old people and the farmers who grew up here speak a dialect called Achterhoeks with an "s". When you look at the language tree, you will find the Canadian Plautdietsch (Mennonite German) dialect in the same category. Plaudietsch is also akin to Dutch Frisian. If you look at the Canadian Plautdietsch word for "tells" (in "tells us"), it is very similar to our Dutch. Plautdietsch: ve'tald. Dutch: verteld. I speak it (Achterhoeks) fluently with the native accent, because my forebears are farmers (my mother was born on a small farm, and I helped out there too, gathering hay the old-fashioned way with a pitchfork, the same as you see in the episode "stranger in the night", but without horse, we had a tractor in front of the cart). These days the dialect is slowly disappearing due to migration of people from the west. The dialect has words totally foreign to modern Dutch. And there are even differences in certain words in most villages in the region. For example, "cheese" is "kaas" in modern Dutch, but in my village you say "keaze" (the "ea" is pronounced as the "ea" in "dread", the closing "e" is also pronounced), but in a village a few miles from here you say "keeze" without the "a". Or the Dutch word for "wedding", "bruiloft". In my village it is "brulleft", but in the other village it is completely different: "broetlachte". In modern Dutch, if I say "he is gone", it would be this, "hij is weg". But in my dialect it is, "hie is vort", and "vort" comes from the German "fort". De English word for "pipe" is "piep" in Low German and "pijp" in modern Dutch. But my dialect uses the Low German "piep" or "peep". I often recognize words from your Pennsylvania Dutch, which actually is more akin to German. But our dialect has some old German in it too. It is a hodgepodge. Of course Plautdietsch has so many other words in it, that although I recognize some words, I would not be able to understand everything. I hope I didn't bore you with my expatiation on the language.

What part or place did your grandparents come from?

I grew up in a Dutch Reformed Church, which had many nominal christians. You could compare it to the Avonlea church. In my days confirmation class was already heavily social and political in nature, without much Bible study. We had a left pastor who talked a lot about world-peace and the nuclear armsrace. On the day of confirmation a catechumen (the person seeking confirmation) only had to say "yes"and that made him a member of the church. Oftentimes you never saw them again. I even got caught into the occult. But I was saved in an evangelical church, actaully by it's pastor who worked in a cheesefactory where I was an intern. Now that was a real church with born again believers. Later on I went to a Baptist church but now I'm between churches. I translate christian books into Dutch.

Yes I like the quote too. It's not my own by the way. But it's a precious truth.
5AvonleaGirls wrote:I agree that it is sad sometimes how the church and believers are portrayed in RTA. I was just thinking about that last night as we finished watching all of the episodes in order. :( It is sad that church was viewed as something dark and depressing with no joy in it. That is what Christianity is all about!! Joy ... the joy of Christ. It breaks my heart that that was often times how church and Christianity was viewed as. I noticed you are from Holland. My Opa and Oma immigrated from Holland. Do you go to church? What denomination are you with?

~5AvonleaGirls

P.S. I like your quote! It made me laugh :).
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Post by TrueChristian » Tue Mar 17, 2009 12:40 pm

Shelly wrote: Then later on, stating explicitly that it is your opinion that she would've voted for John McCain would've made things at least somewhat easier on you. Instead, you pass off your opinions as facts, you get called on it, and now you're trying to (unsuccessfully, I say) cover your arse rather than own up to your crap.
i think the majority of people know that Montgomery was not alive for the last election and therefor it couldnt have been a fact. it had to be an opinion. if someone doesn't undertand that then they are either insane or lviing in a society with no concept of time. I believbed what i said from the beginning. i didnt put in my opinoin because everybody knows its an opinion.
Shelly wrote: Oh, and that whole communism and socialism thing? One could say it started in the book of Acts with the early Christians, not with Marx and Lenin.

And all those who had believed were together and had all things in common; and they began selling their property and possessions and were sharing them with all, as anyone might have need. (Acts 2:44-45, NASB)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/communism (pay attention to the first definition)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism (first definition)
the experiment going on in Russia was not communistm in the definition of the word. Stalin starved and murdered millinos of russians while he and his cronies lived in palaces. It was a dictatorship that called itself communism, and so everybody else called it communism and it stuck for history.

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Post by TrueChristian » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:30 pm

Wild Roses wrote:
Snerk. Really, because you started it off quite literally assuming Montgomery was a conservative until Shelly called you out on being factually wrong on that--and, then, pretended like you never made the factual error in the first place. I'm quite sure you're only calling it a 'hypothetic' thread now because you've been called out on your bullshit too many times.
You are how you vote and Montgomery voted conservative. I thought you already knew this from previous posts.
Wild Roses wrote:
Furthermore, your own title works against you. It *presumes* Montgomery would have voted for McCain, end all be all. If this *was* originally a hypothetical thread it would have been worded "Would Montgomery have been for McCain?"

Hypotheticals don't presume facts. They teach you that in science class. Hypotheticals are what-ifs, but you never started this with what-if intentions. I reread your posts, and I all I see (paraphrase) "Montgomery was a conservative so go out and vote for McCain." That isn't a what-if, honey, that is an opinion and a command.
Yes, it is an opinion. Read my previous post. Montgomery was not alive to vote for McCain... thereofr, there is no way it could be anything but an opinion. Everyone knows that. This is all a moot point.

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Post by TrueChristian » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:38 pm

Piére wrote:TrueChristian,

Don't get drawn into this fruitless blethering about Mr. Prince Hall Mason Barack Obama. If you really want to know what Obama is about, get Alex Jones' soon to be released documentary about Obama. You can get it here...
Don't worry Piére, I am not one to be pulled into this euphoria around Obama. Your words are refreshing on a forum that is full of liberal bias.
I will look into these links.

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Post by The Chef » Tue Mar 17, 2009 8:20 pm

Well, of one thing you can be sure: Jesus was not a liberal.

If anyone wants to dispute that I'd be happy to discuss it :wink:

By the way, I'm absolutely not an Alex Jones fan (!), he's a fear-monger and a sensationalist, he shouts a lot, and I'm not convinced he is a christian, but sometimes people such as he have some helpful information. But not one of those so-called 'exposers' has the truth in everything 100%.
TrueChristian wrote:
Piére wrote:TrueChristian,

Don't get drawn into this fruitless blethering about Mr. Prince Hall Mason Barack Obama. If you really want to know what Obama is about, get Alex Jones' soon to be released documentary about Obama. You can get it here...
Don't worry Piére, I am not one to be pulled into this euphoria around Obama. Your words are refreshing on a forum that is full of liberal bias.
I will look into these links.
A man fell in a deep pit and suffered greatly. A Buddhist said: 'Meditate and ignore your circumstances.' A Hindu said: 'You must have bad karma, you deserve your fate.' But Jesus had pity on the man, climbed down and rescued him.

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